Welcome to Men On Fire, a podcast about what it means to be a man.  Doing that on purpose. I know we normally start with the clap  because we're going to talk about success. Success. See what I've done with the clap? Yeah. It's successfully messing up my recording. Yes, sorry. Well, it would just come up as, like, loads of little lines, wouldn't it?  Sync it. How are you? Successful morning. Yeah, well, get straight into what success is, because I've only had one session this morning, but I've got some stuff done, had a nice morning, recorded some stuff with you. I'm happy. So maybe that's a success financially, not as successful because not had as many meetings and not made as much dollar. We've already talked about bringing home the bacon. I had a successful morning. I had a lion. Yeah. Coffee in bed and have a lie in. Is that how you measure success normally? Yeah, I helped my relaxation. Yeah, I had a nice, relaxing morning. So, yeah, I felt quite. Relaxed cells. Definitely a success. It's another one of those we seem to be unpinning a lot of these in our discussions or uncovering a lot of these in our discussions where the word itself is very subjective and even gray and flexible and dynamic because the world's not black and white, is it? No. But then is that a modern thing? I wonder if back in the day, again, we talked about a bit on the Bringing out in the Bacon episode, but as success as a man, is that  directly related to how much money you make and how much you provide to your family? Some people, yeah. Lots of people is, I guess. What's your biggest success? Biggest success? Probably my family, my children. Tick. Yeah, definitely. And but  it's not all roses. There's challenges and stuff with family, but yeah, definitely. For me, having a family was big life success, but.  I wanted to achieve and how. Okay, sorry. I'm going to pebble questions with you to try and understand your definition of success. Then. When did you start feeling like you had been successful in barbecue? Successful in barbecue?  I still wouldn't say I was successful, but lots of people would, I guess. Okay,  I'm pretty be what's the word? Self driven with my career. So I would say I still wasn't successful. Is that more like you're not successful enough? As in you want to get somewhere else so you don't stop and take a look at, actually the successes you've had? Yeah, I'm terrible for that, I really am. I don't tend to stop and look at what I've achieved, which is probably quite a lot, really. Three books and big social media, but most of all, helping people to barbecue. I guess that's pretty successful. That does get me when somebody says, oh, yeah, I cooked one of your recipes and it was fantastic, or I've been on one of your classes and it helped me cook a lovely meal for my family. That is me helping others to succeed. I think that's probably knee.  And a good success really that if I can help others to success and to enjoy things, to enjoy barbecue, to enjoy stuff, then that's pretty good. I mean, I'd say this podcast is already quite successful. It's not necessarily numbers who have viewed it which is doing well, it's that we've already had people set up groups and their talking about supporting each other. It's that people have said it's really helped them. I had a guy come up to me at a festival I was at and he said he was pretty low  recently and he been having to listen to our podcast. It really helped. That's a success, I guess. 100%. Yeah.  You get like the devil and angel on the shoulder. I sometimes think of it more like I have like a little meditating Buddha on one shoulder who's really bit like that. Oh yeah, we've helped one person with the podcast, that's great. And then I've got this sort of businessman on the left saying well we've made no money, prime haven't sponsored us yet, what's going on?  We don't listen to him. But again, there's that.  I guess if